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03/17/2009 10:15 AM House FISHERIES


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10:18:21 AM Start
10:18:45 AM Overview(s): the Changing Arctic - Issues on the Horizon for Coastal Communities in Western Alaska
11:52:11 AM Adjourn
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+ "The Changing Arctic - Issues on the TELECONFERENCED
Horizon for Coastal Communities in
Western Alaska"
Presentations by:
- Chris Hladick, Unalaska City Manager;
- Arne Fuglvog, Fisheries Policy Aide
to Sen. Lisa Murkowski;
- Rear Admiral Arthur Brooks, Commander,
U.S. Coast Guard District 17;
- David Benton, Executive Director,
Marine Conservation Alliance
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                         March 17, 2009                                                                                         
                           10:18 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz                                                                                             
Representative Robert L. "Bob" Buch                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Charisse Millett                                                                                                 
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW(S):  THE CHANGING ARCTIC - ISSUES ON THE HORIZON FOR                                                                  
COASTAL COMMUNITIES IN WESTERN ALASKA                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to report                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS HLADICK, City Manager                                                                                                     
Unalaska, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated in the discussion regarding                                                                 
the changing Arctic.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ARNE FUGLVOG, Legislative Assistant                                                                                             
Senator Lisa Murkowski                                                                                                          
Fisheries Policy                                                                                                                
U.S. Senate                                                                                                                     
Washington, D.C.                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on behalf of Senator Murkowski                                                                 
during the discussion on the changing Arctic.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL ARTHUR EUGENE BROOKS, Commander                                                                                    
U.S. Coast Guard District 17                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated in the discussion regarding                                                                 
the changing Arctic.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DAVID BENTON, Executive Director                                                                                                
Marine Conservation Alliance (MCA)                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Participated in  the discussion  regarding                                                             
the changing Arctic.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:18:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BRYCE  EDGMON  called  the   House  Special  Committee  on                                                             
Fisheries  meeting  to  order  at  10:18  a.m.    Representatives                                                               
Edgmon,  Buch, and  Keller were  present  at the  call to  order.                                                               
Representatives Munoz and  Johnson arrived as the  meeting was in                                                               
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:18:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW(S):   THE CHANGING ARCTIC  - ISSUES ON THE  HORIZON FOR                                                             
COASTAL COMMUNITIES IN WESTERN ALASKA                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EDGMON announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
an overview of the issues  on the horizon for coastal communities                                                               
in Western Alaska.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:20:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON said  that  policy issues  related to  the                                                               
future of the Arctic are  being considered on the state, federal,                                                               
and national fronts.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:21:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS HLADICK, City  Manager, told the committee that  his job is                                                               
to make  recommendations to the  Unalaska City  Council regarding                                                               
the  projects that  come forward  to  support the  infrastructure                                                               
needed for commercial fishing.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:23:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HLADICK,   in  response  to  Chair   Edgmon,  discussed  the                                                               
importance of establishing  a point contact for  Arctic issues on                                                               
the state  level, so that  municipal officials can  keep apprised                                                               
of related developments and planning.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:24:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ARNE  FUGLVOG,  Legislative  Assistant, Senator  Lisa  Murkowski,                                                               
Fisheries Policy, U.S.  Senate, told the committee  that he works                                                               
on the following issues:   fisheries, transportation, and natural                                                               
resources.  He said he has spent  a lot of time on Arctic issues.                                                               
He said he would  give an overview of what has  been going on, on                                                               
the  federal level,  in hopes  of stimulating  conversation.   He                                                               
related   that  ultimately   he   would  like   to  address   how                                                               
communities, the legislature, and the state can get involved.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FUGLVOG  emphasized  Senator  Murkowski's  involvement  with                                                               
Arctic issues.   As ranking  member on the Energy  Committee, she                                                               
plays  a  large role  in  the  development  on the  North  Slope,                                                               
Chukchi,  and  North  Aleutian  Basin.   The  first  priority  of                                                               
Senator  Murkowski,  he  said,  would be  to  ratify  the  United                                                               
Nations Law of the Sea Treaty; it  is the senator's goal to do so                                                               
this year.   Another  issue is  the development  of the  new U.S.                                                               
Arctic policy, released  by the Bush Administration  on January 9                                                               
this year;  the last policy  made was  in 1994.   Discussion will                                                               
take place with Secretary of  State Hillary Clinton to decide how                                                               
to implement  policy, what Alaska's  priorities are, and  what is                                                               
expected out of the current administration.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:29:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FUGLVOG said  the Senator supports what the  U.S. Coast Guard                                                               
would  like  to  do in  the  Arctic.    Her  staff met  with  the                                                               
ambassador  of   Canada  and   spoke  extensively   about  Arctic                                                               
cooperation.  Except for  disagreements regarding the sovereignty                                                               
of  the  Northwest  Passage  and the  maritime  boundary  in  the                                                               
Beaufort Sea,  Canada wants to work  hand in hand with  the U.S.,                                                               
he related.  Meetings occur  periodically with many of the Arctic                                                               
coastal   nations,  including   Iceland,  Denmark,   Norway,  and                                                               
Greenland.  Russia provides a bigger challenge, he said.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. FUGLVOG  said Senator Murkowski  got Senate  Joint Resolution                                                               
17  passed through  U.S.  Congress, which  directed  the U.S.  to                                                               
initiate international discussions and  take necessary steps with                                                               
other nations  to negotiate an  agreement for  managing migratory                                                               
and "transboundary" fish  stocks in the Arctic Ocean.   A primary                                                               
motivator  for this,  Mr. Fuglvog  said,  was the  action by  the                                                               
North  Pacific Fishery  Management Council  to develop  an Arctic                                                               
fisheries management  plan (FMP) to  put a moratorium  on fishing                                                               
north  of the  Bering Sea  until stock  assessments are  made and                                                               
there is  a better handle on  what type of fisheries  the council                                                               
would allow.   That  proaction by the  council has  been heralded                                                               
both internationally and domestically  by "pretty much everybody"                                                               
as  a positive  step in  protecting  the Arctic  resources.   The                                                               
state department has  taken the council's Arctic  FMP overseas to                                                               
present  the idea  to  some of  the other  Arctic  nations.   Mr.                                                               
Fuglvog said it  will be challenging to get all  those nations to                                                               
agree, but  he called the  effort worthwhile.   He added  that he                                                               
anticipates it will  take multiple years to  reach agreement, but                                                               
the effort is off to a good start.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:33:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FUGLVOG  next discussed  what various  agencies are  doing on                                                               
the federal  and state level.   He talked about an  effort by the                                                               
Army Corp  of Engineers to undertake  a study of harbor  needs of                                                               
all the ports in Alaska,  including such issues as infrastructure                                                               
and ports of  refuge.  The senator has supported  that effort and                                                               
has tried  to assist  by authorizing  and appropriating  funds to                                                               
pay for the study.  He  mentioned U.S. Coast Guard, waterway, and                                                               
Aleutian  Island risk  assessments that  he thinks  are currently                                                               
underway.  He opined that  the state needs those assessments both                                                               
in the  Chukchi and Bering  Seas, and Senator  Murkowski's office                                                               
is ready  to assist  in that  process.  He  noted that  there are                                                               
other things that need to occur  before there is more activity in                                                               
the Arctic.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FUGLVOG   related  that  Senator  Murkowski   was  the  U.S.                                                               
Representative  on the  Arctic parliamentarian.    The U.S.  also                                                               
sits on  the Arctic  Council with a  representative of  the state                                                               
department.  He said, "We want to continue both those forums."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:36:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FUGLVOG reported  that  a new  ship will  be  headed to  the                                                               
Arctic, which  will be a  National Science Foundation  (NSF) ship                                                               
to  replace the  Alpha Helix  that has  been in  Seward.   In the                                                               
stimulus  bill  there  is  approximately  $150  million  for  the                                                               
construction of  this ship, which  is called the  Alaska Regional                                                               
Research Vessel (ARRV).   The ship will be run  by the University                                                               
of Alaska  and paid  for by  NSF.  The  ship is  not a  heavy ice                                                               
breaker, but will serve as  a great scientific platform, he said.                                                               
It  will also  have the  capability of  doing fisheries  surveys,                                                               
although perhaps not full bottom  trawling.  The ship is expected                                                               
to be built in three years.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:37:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FUGLVOG  said a hearing  on the  Arctic will come  before the                                                               
U.S. Foreign  Relations committee in  early May; a first  for the                                                               
committee.   A number  of Alaskans will  be able  to participate.                                                               
The Arctic policy is non-partisan.   Mr. Fuglvog said he does not                                                               
anticipate that the Arctic policy will  change much.  It is broad                                                               
and  comprehensive  enough  to  last  a  decade  or  more.    The                                                               
preceding policy held for 14 years.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:40:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EDGMON asked  Mr. Fuglvog to comment  regarding the opening                                                               
of "the passage way."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:40:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FUGLVOG  said presently  what Alaska is  doing is  more vague                                                               
than  what other  nations are  doing, regarding  the Arctic.   He                                                               
encouraged  the committee  to  explore better  ways  to lead  the                                                               
effort.   It would be helpful  for the D.C. delegation  to have a                                                               
coordinator,  working group,  or  agency to  head  this issue  on                                                               
behalf  of  the  state,  he   relayed.    Multiple  agencies  are                                                               
involved;  however,  the  general   public  is  not  particularly                                                               
involved or informed.  Having an  Arctic contact to call would be                                                               
of  great help,  he said.   A  person in  the legislature  or the                                                               
governor's  office  may  also  be  an option  for  this  type  of                                                               
support.   He concluded, "I want  to make sure that  the state is                                                               
just as involved as the feds are up in Alaska."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:45:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FUGLVOG,  in  response  to  Representative  Buch,  said  the                                                               
regional ports  and harbors  projects are via  the Army  Corps of                                                               
Engineers,  not  Homeland Security.    Funding  is important  for                                                               
these  projects, and  should  be taken  out  of competition  with                                                               
Lower 48 dock and harbor needs.   The focus is very different.  A                                                               
comprehensive  infrastructure  will  need to  be  established  to                                                               
support the  traffic that will  eventually be seen in  the Bering                                                               
Strait.   He said it will  take a lot of  money to do a  port and                                                               
harbor study in every region of Alaska.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH asked about the disposition of the studies.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. FUGLVOG  replied that funding  has been achieved  but further                                                               
headway has  not been made.   Preliminary stages are  still being                                                               
worked out, with  everything a year or two away.   In response to                                                               
a follow-up question, he said  the initial appropriation was only                                                               
about a couple  million dollars, which is not a  lot of money for                                                               
a study  of this measure.   The Army  Corps has estimated  a need                                                               
for  $5-$10 million.   The  Senator is  working to  obtain larger                                                               
appropriations now.   He offered  his understanding  that another                                                               
half million  dollars were received  in the fiscal year  2009 (FY                                                               
09) Omnibus.   In response  to a request,  he said he  would send                                                               
information   to  the   committee  regarding   how  the   initial                                                               
appropriation has been utilized,  and he expressed willingness to                                                               
send any other information requested.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:51:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL  ARTHUR EUGENE BROOKS,  Commander, U.S.  Coast Guard                                                               
District 17,  presented a PowerPoint  presentation.  He  said the                                                               
big  issue  is  the  retreat  of the  sea  ice,  which  opens  up                                                               
increasingly more  sea for  shipping; in  2007 the  ice was  at a                                                               
record low.   Challenges occur because the  Arctic does re-freeze                                                               
each  season, which  creates  a  hazardous environment;  however,                                                               
when there is no ice, shipping can occur.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:53:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL  BROOKS  indicated  slide  4,  which  shows  future                                                               
maritime  Arctic  shipping  routes.    The  majority  of  current                                                               
shipping  is on  the  European  side.   The  reason for  shipping                                                               
across the top, instead of through  the Panama or Suez Canals, is                                                               
because it is half the  distance.  Currently commercial ships are                                                               
[taking  longer  routes]  because   the  Arctic  route  is  still                                                               
hazardous  and  Lloyds  of  London   will  not  insure  a  vessel                                                               
traveling that  route.  When  the top  route is used,  the Bering                                                               
Strait  will become  "the new  choke point  of the  planet."   In                                                               
response  to Representative  Buch,  he explained  that the  boxes                                                               
shown on slide  4 depict the "choke points" in  the transit lines                                                               
- the  straits where  ice and  vessel traffic  are of  the utmost                                                               
concern.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:55:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL  BROOKS, regarding  slide 5,  said the  challenge of                                                               
the Bering Strait is that it is  a well-known strait.  It is half                                                               
Russian  and  half American.    There  is  an assumption  that  a                                                               
traffic  management scheme  will be  necessary in  7-10 years  to                                                               
avoid  the  trouble  large  ships  run into  when  they  are  not                                                               
managed.   Any of the  ships could cause  a large oil  spill just                                                               
through propulsion fuel.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:56:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL BROOKS  turned to slide 6,  which addresses resource                                                               
development.   He said it is  estimated that up to  25 percent of                                                               
the world's hydrocarbons  are in the Arctic, with as  many as $33                                                               
trillion  in  value  inside  200  nautical  miles  -  inside  the                                                               
exclusive  economic  zones of  the  nations  of  the world.    He                                                               
indicated that  the majority  of the resource  is in  the Chukchi                                                               
Sea.  There will be pressure for development.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:57:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL  BROOKS highlighted slide  7, which shows  photos of                                                               
the  Red Dog  Mine.   He  stated that  that mine  is the  world's                                                               
richest zinc mine.  The water  is shallow and there are no ports.                                                               
Large barns  are filled with  lead and  zinc, and for  two months                                                               
each summer, 80,000-ton  ore ships anchor 11 miles  off shore and                                                               
are loaded.   He said  Northern Alaska  is rich in  minerals, and                                                               
extracting minerals seasonally could be done in 30 places.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:59:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL BROOKS  turned to  slide  8, and  talked about  the                                                               
increase  of  eco-tourism  in  Northern  Alaska  and  Antarctica.                                                               
"Pocket cruise ships"  have been entering the Arctic.   He talked                                                               
about the sinking of the M/S  Explorer in Antarctica, and said it                                                               
is a  challenge to  keep these  ships safe.   There have  been no                                                               
casualties in the American Arctic, he noted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:00:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL  BROOKS  showed slide  9,  regarding  the  northern                                                               
migration  of fish  stocks, including  pollock  and other  ground                                                               
fish.  Salinity is changing  and salmon are decreasing, which are                                                               
signs  of  animals adapting  to  climate  change.   Rear  Admiral                                                               
Brooks  said  it  will  be  a challenge  for  him  and  for  NOAA                                                               
enforcement to ensure  that no one fishes in the  Arctic once the                                                               
North  Pacific Fishery  Management Council  puts into  effect its                                                               
management plan for the Chukchi  and Beaufort Seas.  He mentioned                                                               
threatened and endangered species, as shown on slide 10.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:01:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL  BROOKS,  regarding  slides 11  and  12,  discussed                                                               
working with  Native Alaskans on tribal,  community, borough, and                                                               
corporate  levels and  his focus  on  protecting the  subsistence                                                               
lifestyle of these  people.  In response  to Representative Buch,                                                               
he explained that Executive Order  (EO) 13175 is a requirement by                                                               
former President  Dwight D.  Eisenhower for  a federal  agency to                                                               
consult with Native  tribes before taking any  actions that would                                                               
materially  affect their  interest  or well  being.   He  offered                                                               
further  details.   He  explained  that part  of  his  job is  to                                                               
prepare the  Native Alaskans living  in the Northern part  of the                                                               
state for the eventual appearance of large ships.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:04:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL  BROOKS moved  on  to  slide 13,  which  highlights                                                               
challenges  in the  U.S. Arctic.   He  noted that  the last  full                                                               
service port  for ships  going north is  Dutch Harbor.   Although                                                               
the Corp  of Engineers  has done  some harbor  work in  Nome, the                                                               
large  ships still  cannot get  into that  harbor.   Beyond Nome,                                                               
there is  no pier  or port.   As ships  funnel in  or out  of the                                                               
Bering Strait, he noted, their  options for support, maintenance,                                                               
or repairs are limited.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:06:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL  BROOKS  displayed  slide 15,  which  lists  Arctic                                                               
operations conducted  by the  U.S. Coast Guard  in the  summer of                                                               
2008.   He said  the U.S.  Coast Guard  made efforts  to complete                                                               
exercises  in the  northern areas  that are  routine in  southern                                                               
waters, but  found them to  be either  tough or impossible.   For                                                               
example,  the helicopters  were  too small  to  handle the  great                                                               
distances  in the  north, while  the boats  were too  large.   He                                                               
described the  exercises and the levels  of proficiency achieved.                                                               
He  highlighted that  the Canadian  Coast Guard  was involved  in                                                               
these exercises.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:09:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL  BROOKS talked about  the lessons learned,  as shown                                                               
on slide 16.  Infrastructure is  insufficient and there is a lack                                                               
of  effective communication.    Also,  there is  a  lack of  ice-                                                               
hardened  vessels.   The U.S.  Coast Guard  relies on  input from                                                               
indigenous people.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL BROOKS  discussed pending  operations, as  shown on                                                               
slide 17.  There are plans to  work a spring patrol for the Polar                                                               
Sea, into the Bering Sea, in  order to get ice breaking training,                                                               
and perhaps to make a port call  on Russia.  He stated his intent                                                               
to  work  in  cooperation  with  the  Russians,  rather  than  in                                                               
competition  with them.   Admiral  Brooks spoke  of resuming  the                                                               
Arctic "main  awareness" flights  as soon as  the ice  breaks and                                                               
deploying  larger  helicopters  and  smaller boats  in  Nome  and                                                               
Barrow this summer.   He said the U.S. Coast  Guard will continue                                                               
its waterways analysis and outreach in the Arctic.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:10:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL BROOKS  talked  about the  United  States being  an                                                               
Arctic  nation  and  the responsibilities  and  obligations  that                                                               
carries.   As  shown  on slide  18, there  is  a balance  between                                                               
developing  the area,  helping indigenous  people maintain  their                                                               
culture and subsistence  way of life, and  maintaining a pristine                                                               
environment   that  is   being   stressed   by  climate   change.                                                               
Currently,  he said,  there is  no way  to achieve  that balance.                                                               
Every Arctic nation is part of this conundrum.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:12:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL BROOKS  turned to  slide 19,  which addresses  U.S.                                                               
Arctic  policy  goals.   The  U.S.  policy regarding  the  Arctic                                                               
region is being reviewed by the Obama Administration.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:13:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  EDGMON  asked if  there  are  any prospects  for  stimulus                                                               
package money to be put toward this overall effort.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:13:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL  BROOKS  responded  that he  was  amazed  that  ice                                                               
breakers were  removed from the  stimulus package as "pork."   He                                                               
said that clearly  shows the ignorance that  exists regarding the                                                               
Arctic.  He said the question to  answer is in regard to how much                                                               
presence the  federal and state  governments want in  the Arctic.                                                               
Once someone  decides to build a  port, the question will  be how                                                               
much  security is  needed for  that port  and how  that will  fit                                                               
within the regime of the Maritime Transportation Security Act.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:15:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL  BROOKS, in response to  Co-Chair Keller, reiterated                                                               
that the  U.S. Coast  Guard works  closely with  Canadian forces.                                                               
He noted  that Joint  Task Force North  is the  Canadian military                                                               
component  that does  surveillance and  security in  the Canadian                                                               
Arctic.  He  said working together is imperative,  because no one                                                               
has enough resources to deal with  the issue of the Arctic alone.                                                               
He noted that there is a  boundary dispute that does exist in the                                                               
Beaufort  Sea, but  that is  not an  issue that  is addressed  by                                                               
either the Canadian or U.S. Coast Guard.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:17:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUCH asked  what Admiral  Brooks knows  about the                                                               
Russians  currently  building 100  double-bottomed,  ice-breaking                                                               
liquefied natural gas (LNG) tankers.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:18:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL  BROOKS replied  that  the  Russians are  the  most                                                               
experienced  Arctic   nation,  as  they  have   the  most  Arctic                                                               
frontage, and  they want to  identify and protect  their national                                                               
interest.   He  reported that  he is  in daily  contact with  his                                                               
Russian  counterparts, primarily  regarding fishing  issues.   He                                                               
stated that  it is in the  best interest of the  United States to                                                               
communicate  with  Russia, and  he  opined  that, given  Alaska's                                                               
history with Russia, it is easier for Alaska to do so.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:19:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH remarked that there  is no choice but to work                                                               
with Russia.   He  asked if Rear  Admiral Brooks  currently works                                                               
with  Russia  regarding  that  country's  ongoing  processes  for                                                               
shipping LNG in the northern region.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL BROOKS replied that  he does not "have visibility on                                                               
how much  or how they're doing  that."  He stated  his concern is                                                               
that sooner  or later the Russian  ships will come.   That is why                                                               
he is pushing to develop some  sort of traffic scheme with Russia                                                               
in order to  control the Bering Strait and minimize  risk to that                                                               
area before the ships come.   He emphasized that he does not want                                                               
to be unprepared.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:21:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON  asked  what  Russia  is  protecting  its                                                               
boarders against and  whether or not the United  States should be                                                               
doing the same.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:21:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL BROOKS  responded that the Russians,  like any other                                                               
country, want to protect what  is theirs.  He explained, "They're                                                               
posturing because  they know that  these boundaries will  have to                                                               
be  determined."   He said  he understands  protecting interests,                                                               
and he said he  does not see this as belligerence  on the part of                                                               
the  Russians.   He  added  that he  is  willing  to help  Russia                                                               
protect its interests, as long as  that support is returned as it                                                               
pertains to America's interests.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:22:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL  BROOKS,  in response  to  Representative  Johnson,                                                               
named some  Russian ports and  noted that Russia  shares Alaska's                                                               
problem  of  having  shallow waters  and  limited  infrastructure                                                               
further north.   He  speculated that  from a  safety perspective,                                                               
having  a place  further north  in  Alaska where  ships could  be                                                               
brought  in for  maintenance  would be  helpful.   Currently,  he                                                               
said, there is no  place up north to "get out  of the weather" to                                                               
"work a ship."   Risk assessment for the Aleutians  and then Cook                                                               
Inlet are a priority.   The infrastructure to prevent disaster is                                                               
important to have in place.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:25:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON  asked  what the  repercussions  are  for                                                               
signing or not signing the Law of the Sea Treaty.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:25:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL  BROOKS responded that  the treaty has worked  for a                                                               
long time.   Since 1982,  the U.S.,  having been an  architect of                                                               
the treaty, but  not a signer, has reaped  its benefits; however,                                                               
it  is  taking  advantage  of  the  treaty  without  meeting  any                                                               
responsibilities.  He  said he has been told  by other countries,                                                               
including  Canada,   that  U.S.  leadership  is   needed  in  the                                                               
international arena -  especially when it comes time  to make the                                                               
difficult decisions regarding where  the boundaries of the Arctic                                                               
are.   He emphasized that the  issue of the seabed  claims beyond                                                               
200 nautical  miles is the  real challenge.  Decisions  are being                                                               
made  without the  U.S.  having  a voice.    Rear Admiral  Brooks                                                               
opined that all  treaties abrogate sovereignty to  some extent; a                                                               
country gives  something up to get  something more.  It  would be                                                               
important  for  the  U.S.  to  be part  of  the  discussions,  he                                                               
concluded.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:28:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  EDGMON  asked what  the  U.S.  Coast Guard's  presence  in                                                               
Unalaska  will  be in  the  future,  given the  efforts  directed                                                               
toward opening the Arctic.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:29:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL BROOKS  said the U.S. Coast Guard  has experienced a                                                               
slowly growing  marine safety  detachment in  Unalaska.   He said                                                               
Unalaska is the busiest port in  terms of ships that come and go.                                                               
He said  he considers Unalaska an  important port.  How  much the                                                               
U.S. Coast  Guard grows there  will depend upon shipping.   Being                                                               
prepared ahead of  time is crucial.   Now is the time  to set the                                                               
economic and  political structures  in place  "to deal  with what                                                               
will be," he said.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:30:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  remarked that some were  thinking five years                                                               
ago was  the time.   He asked Rear  Admiral Brooks to  talk about                                                               
discussions  regarding Wrangell  Island, which  is just  north of                                                               
Russia - shown on the top of the world map.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL  BROOKS said  he does  not know  the history  of the                                                               
discussions.  He offered his  understanding that during World War                                                               
II, the U.S.  "walked away from any claim  to Wrangell [Island]."                                                               
He said Senator  Helms and others have said that  the U.S. should                                                               
assert  a  claim to  the  island.    Currently  the U.S.  is  not                                                               
asserting any  claim to the  island, but owning the  island would                                                               
dramatically alter the seascape in the Arctic.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:33:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REAR  ADMIRAL BROOKS,  in response  to Representative  Buch, said                                                               
the U.S. Coast Guard in  Alaska has jurisdiction over all vessels                                                               
within 12 miles of U.S.  shores, regardless of the nationality of                                                               
those vessels.   Furthermore,  he said  he has  jurisdiction over                                                               
all  vessels engaged  in economic  activities,  such as  fishing,                                                               
within 200 miles  of U.S. shores.  The U.S.  Coast Guard also has                                                               
jurisdiction  over  the  navigable  waters  of  the  U.S.,  which                                                               
essentially means "all  waters in the internal part  of the state                                                               
that are subject to tidal  influence or subject to navigation and                                                               
interstate commerce."  There are  many places in Alaska where the                                                               
U.S.  Coast Guard  has no  jurisdiction, he  said.   For example,                                                               
jurisdiction on  dry land extends only  as far as the  back fence                                                               
of a terminal or facility.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:34:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  BENTON, Executive  Director, Marine  Conservation Alliance                                                               
(MCA),  listed his  work history.   He  stated that  Alaska ranks                                                               
ninth  in  the  world  for  fisheries  production,  accounts  for                                                               
approximately 62  percent of the  United States'  "landings," and                                                               
provides 78,000  jobs in the  fishing industry.   Furthermore, 80                                                               
percent  of  the  manufacturing  done in  Alaska  is  related  to                                                               
seafood processing.   The  "breadbasket" for  that fishery  is in                                                               
the Bering Sea.  Dutch Harbor,  Unalaska, has been the number one                                                               
fishing port  in terms of volume  for the nation for  many years,                                                               
he noted.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:36:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BENTON mentioned climate change,  and he stated that there is                                                               
evidence  that fish  populations  are moving  north, and  several                                                               
important  species  are  relocating  to new  areas.    How  these                                                               
changes  are going  to affect  the industry  is still  not known;                                                               
however,  renewable resource  management  calls for  conservative                                                               
approaches and a scientific approach.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:39:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BENTON reported  that the  North Pacific  Fishery Management                                                               
Council has  passed an FMP that  would close all waters  north of                                                               
the Bering Sea to commercial fishing.   He said that it is a bold                                                               
pro-active  step.   The  long tradition  of  getting the  science                                                               
right can be upheld by this type  of action.  He said the council                                                               
looks forward to working with  the science community and managers                                                               
to determine "what's  up there, what might be  available, and, at                                                               
some future date, perhaps have fisheries occur."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:40:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BENTON  said another  reason that  the council  supported the                                                               
FMP is  because it has  had a long experience  with international                                                               
relations and  the effects that international  fisheries can have                                                               
on Alaska's  resources and industry.   He provided an  example to                                                               
illustrate the  vulnerability resulting from not  having rules in                                                               
place, and  he said he does  not want to see  a similar situation                                                               
occur  in  the  high Arctic.    It  would  be  better to  hold  a                                                               
moratorium prior to nations gaining  a vested interest.  The U.S.                                                               
is leading  the way  in this, via  the council  establishing this                                                               
platform.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:44:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BENTON related  that  the European  Union  is interested  in                                                               
fisheries exploitation in the high  Arctic, which causes concern,                                                               
because Spain and  Portugal, for example, are not  known as great                                                               
stewards of  the resource.   He said  the council  is encouraging                                                               
those countries to  engage in "a manner more  consistent with the                                                               
approach  that  we've  taken."     He  said  the  Norwegians  and                                                               
Icelanders have  interests in  the region as  well.   The council                                                               
advocates  reaching  a consensus  first  with  Canada and  Russia                                                               
before branching  out to work  with other countries that  are not                                                               
connected  to  the  Arctic  but may  have  Arctic  "interests  or                                                               
designs."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:45:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BENTON stated  that Alaska  can  either wait  for events  to                                                               
unfold and  then react to  them or take  charge and be  an active                                                               
player.    He indicated  that  the  council has  already  secured                                                               
statutory  authority for  an organization  called the  Bering Sea                                                               
Fisheries  Advisory Body.    Seats  on that  body  are filled  by                                                               
Alaskans  and fishing  representatives,  scientist, and  managers                                                               
from  the   state  of   Washington,  and   it  is   charged  with                                                               
coordinating U.S. policy on fisheries  with Russia.  The governor                                                               
of Alaska makes appointments to that body.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:47:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BENTON  urged that the  state put  together a small  group of                                                               
experts to  meet regularly to discuss  "cross-cutting issues" and                                                               
report back to  the legislature and Alaska public.   He suggested                                                               
that  funding  be established  to  support  the group's  need  to                                                               
travel to crucial meetings.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:48:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BENTON  noted that  the  congressional  delegation has  been                                                               
through  changes,  and  he  recommended  that  the  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature consider how it will  engage with this delegation, as                                                               
well as  with the  State of Washington's  delegation, to  forge a                                                               
common goal.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:51:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HLADICK  suggested that 7-10 years  is not a long  time frame                                                               
with which  to be working, particularly  considering the building                                                               
projects  that may  be  involved  in a  strategic  plan.   It  is                                                               
important to not delay, he  stressed, as this new frontier opens.                                                               
The unknowns  are great, but it  is important to be  ahead of the                                                               
game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:52:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Fisheries meeting  was adjourned  at 11:52                                                               
a.m.